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The People Dividend Podcast

Nov 2, 2021

Welcome to another episode of The Authentic Change Podcast, I am Mike Horne, your host and I am joined today by Betsy Hostetler, who is an Organizational Development, Culture Change, and Constellation Coach. Betsy helps leaders create cultures where people can talk openly about the things that matter most, participate fully, and collaborate to find better ways of doing business.

In today’s episode, Betsy and Mike dive deep into how systems work on conscious and unconscious levels, providing thoughtful real-life examples of how this displays in organizations.


Key Takeaways:

[2:59] Betsy shares about herself.

[5:20] Betsy explains her perspective on the inner world as the level beyond the conscious mind.

[8:30] Betsy talks about systems and how they care about balance, not about any individual in particular.

[11:14] Betsy shares her work on constellations.

[15:46] Sometimes people take on the whole problem when they want to offer solutions.

[18:08] The work with constellations involves intuition.

[18:57] How do you tune in with the right frequency?

[20:50] Where does the system start?

[24:15] How to bring more of who you are to what you do?

[26:51] You need humility and vulnerability to come towards the understanding that there is much of yourself you don’t know.

[28:37] Leaders need to learn how to practice forgiveness and grace.

[31:03] Betsy shares how she approaches her work with systems.

[32:10] The forgotten unit in systems is the pair.

[33:15] Making room for new ways of thinking to come in is not always easy.


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